Team Stacking

[/WW/HELIUM]

Forced auto assign would have many drawbacks as far as I'm concerned.

Not the least of which being WW's couldn't team up. Sure, when some clans go on the same team they become ruthlessly efficient machines of death. But WW doesn't, really. I do quite enjoy working with clan members in a tactical manner. We have fun, but we don't STEAMROLL, usually.

I can already see the multitude of complaitns and the dropping of server population, for another.

Lastly...has anyone just tried ASKING the NEWB and EM clans to not be quite so aggressive? I'm sure they'd understand...

Hell, all you have to do is say "Hey. WW knows that you guys like to play together and such, but when you all go on the same team like that it becomes a bit overwhelming for the other team...Would it be acceptable if you could try and balance the teams out skill-wise in stead of stacking up?"

I've talked with both the NEWB and EM guys, and they all seem like a pretty cool bunch. I'm SURE if we just asked them, they'd cut back on the stacking.

Hell, I'll volunteer to do it!

[EffinRight]

[Master Squirrel]

I talked Mikey into holding off on forced Auto Assign for now cause I have one question.

What would be the Downfall of making people use Auto Assign?


pooh

[[em]Bobo]

Ya, we use vent cause we like to pall around and joke with each other, but there isn't a whole lot of strategy goin on. Personally, i think nothing of it, three or four clan guys on the same team or three or four regulars makes no difference to me, they are all shooters. I mean, these maps are so small and there is recon up so often you dont need a voice chat system to find the enemy with regularity. But I do agree that if the server starts thining out becasue of lopsided games teams should be switched up. Just let us know if theres a problem and we will be happy to comply.

P.S. We like playin with you guys, our vent is always open if ya'll wana come in and say howdy.

[/ww/Aristotle]

Four or five [em] guys were playing on server 1 late tonight. I purposely joined the other team just to see what it was like. They definitely seemed to be talking together since they would almost always attack the same area. Several were pretty good and most of them finished in the top 7. Fortunately, DonVito and a few others were also on my team and that kept the games very close. I was leaving just as I saw Don end up on their team. I'm betting that'll be a very, very ugly game.

My point is, I have no problem with team stacking when there are good players on both sides. If the round becomes a rout, and people start leaving then its a problem for the server because we're losing players. I asked the regulars to post on the boards if they see that happening. If that situation does come up, I think it's fair for other players and/or an admin to politely ask people to switch teams and even things out. I've done that before with regular players when I've seen multiple good ones all on one side, and they didn't mind. If people flat out refuse to switch after they've been asked politely....I think I'd support a kick.

I realize that coordinating with other players is very tactical and what tdm really should be. I think it would be great to play that way all the time. However, that's not the way things go and the overall server health is more important than tactical play.


Aris

[commanderoz]

personally i dont care about stacking. as long as not every good player is on 1 team wich has happened before.

[Avirama]

Vox, personally i don't consider that stacking and there is nothing wrong with communicating with each other during play. TS is like a private chat where you actually speak instead of typing words. i see players using team chat (not TS, but the blue font thingy) to notify the team what to do and stuff. i personally don't see why one can't do the same with TS.

the way i see it, it's only a "stacked" team if the players involved are good enough to finish in top 7 with positive scores. for example, if i join a team with Pooh and Neo, it is technically speaking a clan stack, but it's not "stacking" because Pooh is a beginner (note: i'm not calling her a noob at all) Neo is a noob and i'm not much better than him. this does not shift the game balance in our team's favor. however, if a team has Sypher, Joe and Helium, it is "stacked" because the odds are they will win, unless the other team has players like DonVito in which case it can be a GFG.

[ww_Vox_]

I play at the same sort of times as NEWB, I dont mind that they stack as it shows they work well as as team. I do not mind if anyone stacks and plays well what I do not like is stacking and then the trash talk that some use with it.
The times I play at there is always myself murgatroyd and tragedy on the same side (if not more people) and in a squad. We all move together and use TS as a tool to get more kills etc........ Is that stacking or is it team work?

[xSlaughterx]

Wanna Bet they're all on there own TS server and there always seems to be one of em on the other team hes just not playing very hard ( hes they're spy )

They come in a treat it as a scrimmage
Its only frustrating when your caught on a team that's not

If its not against the rules and you allow them to chose they're team then they're not doing any thing wrong

Do what I do and either don't play or select the same team they're on

When they're in they seem to select either red army or marines that way they don't have to guess and can all select the same team

[EffinRight]

When I've seen them raid Server 1, it's usually about 1-3 pm ET. With folks at either work or in school, I figure they are on GMT and either European or Aussies.

[Avirama]

i may be wrong, but i think we seriously outnumber EM guys so it would be very unfair against them

P.S: i have yet to see more than one of these NEWB guys on at the same time. i guess it's because, like Effin said, they are in different time zone. hmm, something to look out for in the future i guess.

[commanderoz]

all in favor for WW to tack against EM and only when they stack say I

[-Arrow]

Plain and simple it chases new peolpe away from server I have seen it over and over and been through it myself. I always leave when this happens.
This would be ok if there were sufficient players from each clan on each team. otherwise I leave.

[EffinRight]

One question though about that...isn't that type of team coordination exactly what Team Deathmatch is all about? Working as a team to take out the other team? I mean whether it is in small squads, by flank, or by position, it kind of sounds exactly what teamwork is all about in order to win. Technically I believe that is true tactical warfare at its best. Being on the receiving in does suck, majorly, but with team chat, the same type of coordination could occur if planned properly.

I'm guessing, only guessing, that we have gotten so used to playing as individuals in TDM, that we forgot that we can coordinate as a team or as groups from time to time in order to run up the stats. I dunno, maybe I'm looking at it all wrong.